陈丹青对话韩寒浅析 作者:江湖夜雨醉归来

2008年6月15日晚12点,湖南电视台高端文化访谈节目《零点锋云》请来了“天才作家”韩寒和著名画家陈丹青,这两个来自上海的名人就城市、北漂、赛车、泡妞、 文学 、写作等展开一系列对话。节目由集歌手、作家、主持人于一身的查可欣抱着吉他又唱又说地主持,据查可欣说,陈丹青与韩寒的对话发生在当年汶川大 地震 之前,当时韩寒正在北京参加赛车比赛,《零点锋云》节目向韩寒发出了邀请,促成了这次与陈丹青的对话。湖南卫视将这次对话录像分3集播出,这里现在介绍的 是完整版的视屏,全长62分钟,里面除了两人对话外,还有当事人的事后评说、广告、主持人的述说、唱歌等,所以本文中提及的时间点并不是两人对话的时间 点,而是3集节目完整连接视频的时间点。
  对话以陈丹青询问韩寒的出生年代开始,韩寒稍微侧点身靠在椅背上,右手按在圆桌的边沿,左手按在自己 的大腿上,而陈丹青则伸直腰板,左手托腮右手放在桌上,这个场景有点象老师在审问刚做错事又满不在乎的学生一样,而这个学生又带点紧张带点防备。对话的初 始阶段,韩寒的表情比较拘束、腼腆,时不时地捋一下盖住半边脸的长发,有点像女人一样,难以想像“文坛是个屁,谁也别装逼”会出自这样一个人的口。
   第7分钟,陈丹青在事后评说中说:“第一次见面,他本人非常温和,英文非常nice……”,但整个视频看下来都没见到两人有说一句英文,陈丹青在此之前 旅居美国,英文至少应该是过得去的,既然他这样盛赞韩寒的英文,莫非在录像之外两人还用英文对过话?这只有陈丹青才能解释了。
  第10分钟,韩 寒在说自己辍学后北漂的经历时说:“虽然我怀疑很多事情,但我是相信一切人的……”,陈丹青对这句话表示很有意思,而在第12分钟事后评说中陈丹青解释了 “很有意思”的含义:“很多人是相反的,是相信一切但怀疑人……而韩寒(跟很多人)相反,他会怀疑一切,但他见到一个人会相信他,这个非常对”。关于陈丹 青的这个看法,可谓见仁见智。每个人的思想都会不同,除了他所说的两种状况外,还有些人是既不相信一切(事情)也不相信一切人,也有些人是相信一部分事情 也相信一部分人……我相信最多的状况是上述的最后一种,而不是陈丹青所说的那一种。
  第12分钟开始,两人的对话转入了赛车,这时韩寒说话已经 比较自然了,没有刚开始时那样的拘束。第14分钟,韩寒说:“在北京几年后,就想做职业车手,当时总觉得写东西不好,觉得写东西泡妞不方便……”,原来韩 寒进入车坛的初衷是为了泡妞,为了泡妞就觉得写作不好,那又该如何解释柳永、杜牧的风流名声呢?难道韩寒当初进入“文坛”不是因为热爱 文学 ?不热爱 文学 又如何能写出几十万字的《三重门》呢?由赛车又顺带聊到赛跑,第16分钟,韩寒说:“在区里长跑,怎么跑都是第一名……我不喜欢训练,我是比赛型的选手, 我相信人的体力是一定的,一训练就训练掉了……”,这段话里说的现在还无人考证出来是真是假,但“体力会训练掉了”绝对是天真的想法。
  第20 分钟,韩寒说:“有的时候,骨气是跟钱联系在一起的……”,还举了余秋雨10年赚1000多万的例子,其实韩寒这种想法是很片面的,以物质作为支撑而表现 出来的“骨气”其实是伪骨气,而且骨气的表现也不一定体现在物质贫瘠与否上。孟子说过:“富贵不能淫,贫贱不能移,威武不能屈,此之谓大丈夫”,可见,骨 气还跟武力(权力)的威逼有关。按韩寒的逻辑,骨气还需要一定的权力支撑,那是不是可以这样说,有钱和有权的人最有骨气呢?我认为,骨气和物质无关,没骨 气的人给他再多的钱再多的权力他的本质都是没骨气。
  第25分钟至31分,陈丹青谈他的求学、上海跟北京的不同、群体意识等,这期间韩寒几乎不 说话,抱着手微笑地看着陈丹青,时不时地点点头,从这一段看来,韩寒已经完全放松了。而从第31分至42分,两个人所谈的是陈丹青的家、老家的拆迁、玩游 戏、泡妞等,韩寒对泡妞话题很感兴趣,时不时地发出一阵讪笑。
  第46分钟,韩寒说:“我们总觉得学数学是在培养一个人的逻辑思维能力,这完全 是错的……”。韩寒没说为什么会是“完全错的”,陈丹青也对这句话不置可否,但有一点是可以肯定的,就是韩寒不喜欢数学。因为自己不喜欢,所以就贬低了数 学的作用,这很符合一般人的想法,也印证了“吃不到葡萄就说葡萄酸”这句话的普适性。第48分钟,韩寒在谈起他表弟考大学选专业时又说:“一个教育挺失败 的地方,一个人到了十八九岁,还不知道以后要走的方向……”,韩寒又把一个莫须有的罪名放在教育失败身上,我们高考以前的教育都是属于基础教育,而在选专 业时学校并没有干预你,也就是说你以后要走的方向是由你自已决定的,至于你能不能考上,那得由你的努力和高校的资源来决定。
  最后的十几分钟,两人终于谈到了 文学 ,但老实说,看韩寒罗里罗嗦地念叨确实有点烦。他谈到不看别人的小说,但后面又说读过苏童的《城北地带》;他说喜欢“五四”时期的作品,却只能说出梁实秋 的名字而其他的都不提;他说老舍矛盾们的文笔都很差,却不举出哪怕是一个例子;他说写文章文笔排第一位,却没想回头去看看《京城》和《一刻安宁》;“东 西”这个词在这里成了万能胶,哪都能贴上去,如“他们会把一个东西,表达得很有意思”、“看得比较多的是他们的东西”、“直指社会的人类的一个什么东 西”……难道他不会把这些“东西”换成“事物”、“作品”、“问题”……来说吗?反而是陈丹青侃侃而谈,从国外谈到国内,从近代谈到当代,从海明威谈到曹 禺、周作人,从王安忆、阿城谈到苏童、余华,而且列出了一定数量的作品。如果不是事先知道韩寒是个作家而陈丹青是个画家,光看这段视频还以为陈丹青才是作 家呢。还有韩寒说到“他们(老舍茅盾们)最差的就是文笔了,我一点也读不下去”,要知道老舍矛盾的文笔再怎么“不好”、“罗嗦”,也总比《管锥编》好读 吧?《管锥编》这种以文言文写出来的纯学术性著作,韩寒都能徹夜挑灯读下去,更何况誉满 文学 界的“他们”的小说和散文?
  江湖夜雨醉归来. 2015.1.14

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